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Sunday, October 7, 2007

Information Kit

PRESUMPTION of EQUAL PARENTING TIME

INFORMATION KIT


This Information Kit has been prepared by Geoff Holland and others of the Equal Parenting Network.
EqualParenting@optusnet.com.au

Feedback, including constructive critical arguments are appreciated.


Version 07 Oct 2007



Contents
1. What is a “Presumption of Equal Parenting Time” ?
2. 10 Reasons to implement a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time
3. How the current Family Court system is failing children
4. How a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will benefit children (more reasons)
5. Other benefits of a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time
6. When equal parenting time is not appropriate




1. What is a “Presumption of Equal Parenting Time” ?

A “Presumption of Equal Parenting Time” is a proposed amendment to the Family Law Act 1975 which means that following family separation, parenting time will be equal unless one parent prefers to have less parenting time (and therefore must pay Child Support).

It is a “presumption” which means that if there are strong grounds to demonstrate that equal parenting is not in the best interests of the child, then, following mediation in a Family Relationship Centre, the matter can go to court (the Family Court system) to test those grounds.



2. 10 Reasons to implement a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time

1. Children need both parents.

2. Children have a right to the meaningful involvement of both parents in their lives.

3. Children who do not have meaningful involvement of both parents tend to have lower academic achievement, higher teenage pregnancy rates, higher delinquency rates, substance abuse, eating disorders and incidence of depression.

4. A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time is necessary for the Family Relationship Centres to be able to achieve successful outcomes with separating couples and drastically reduce the numbers who go on to the Family Court system. Without it, the Centres will function as a waiting room.

5. A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will remove much of the uncertainty which obliges couples to go all the way to the Final Hearing to get a verdict, and which creates more conflict and lasting animosity.

6. The lasting animosity and amplified conflict between separated couples created by the Family Court system damages children for life. A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time can prevent much of this amplified conflict.

7. Children understand fairness and equity from an early age, and research shows they desire that both parents be treated equally.

8. Active involvement of both parents in children’s lives provides more love, more security, more resources, greatest safeguard against abuse (abuse typically happens when one parent has little contact and knowledge of the day-to-day experience of their child), more parental guidance, more active role models, more wisdom and experience.

9. The Family Law Act now guarantees and imposes on parents the right to Equal Responsibility of their children. However, it is not possible to fulfil one’s obligations of Equal Responsibility without adequate time – and adequate time is best ensured with equal time.

10. A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time would significantly downsize the Family Court system which is currently wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayers’ dollars. These funds would be better spent on services (eg expanding Family Relationship Centres) helping parents resolve their differences, changing behaviours, developing the potential of parents, and facilitating better prospects of staying together in healthy, cooperative and loving relationships – which of course would be in the best interests of children.



3. How the current Family Court system is failing children

Children need both parents. The Family Court system has been alienating fathers and non-custodial parents (ie. sometimes mothers) for over three decades with tragic consequences for children.

The Family Court system is a blunt instrument which has caused immeasurable and needless human suffering beyond the pain that comes from family separation.

Successive Federal Governments need to accept responsibility for this tragedy in the same way they need to accept responsibility for the tragedy and shame of the Stolen Generation of Aboriginal children when they relocated them away from their rightful parents.

The arrogance of the government, judges and magistrates who believe they know better than the parents as to who should look after the children, persists in the Family Court system today.

We would not expect judges and magistrates to decide who is going to look after the children when couples are together. Why should they assert such a right just because couples have separated ?

The number of families with children that end up separating is rapidly approaching 50%. It is a very common phenomenon.


Amplification of conflict damages children

We must find an alternative to the current adversarial Family Court system because the current system sets parents against each other in a “custody battle” and this amplification of conflict is most harmful to children.

The Family Court system reiterates that it is only acting in the “best interests of the children” but the tragic irony is that in alienating parents and amplifying conflict they are damaging the wellbeing of children.

The Family Court system has little accountability and is prejudiced against both fathers, and non-custodial parents (ie. sometimes mothers). This prejudice and injustice, under the guise of “best interests of the child,” causes much grief and resentment.


Suicide and murder-suicide

The Equal Parenting Network estimates that as many as 100 people (mostly dads) suicide each year as a direct result, and another 200 people (mostly dads) suicide each year as an indirect result, of the injustice and prejudice against fathers, and against non-custodial parents due to the Family Court system and the Child Support Agency regime.

We also estimate that approximately 20 ex-partners and 20 children are murdered each year (mostly as murder-suicides by dads) as a result of the amplified conflict and unfair treatment of fathers and non-custodial parents in the Family Court system. Most of the suicides and murder-suicides we believe were/are preventable, and the Family Court system must bear responsibility for these preventable cases.

It is notable that the statistics for suicides and murder-suicides relating to Family Court cases and the Child Support Agency are either not officially available or have been covered up.

From the dads’ perspective (or sometimes the non-custodial mum), they lose meaningful involvement in their children’s lives, even though they are available and competent to look after them. They typically lose the family home and car, and are then forced to pay high levels of Child Support for the privilege of rarely, or sometimes never, seeing their children.

These factors together with the lies and distortions of truth generated in an adversarial system, not to mention the huge legal fees and the extended period of stress and uncertainty, constitute a powerful driver of suicide and murder-suicide.


The system reduces the chances of any form of reconciliation

The Family Court system is a formal adversarial system. It is a very expensive process, typically costing $20,000-$60,000 for each parent who uses a solicitor and barrister. This is money that should be going toward securing a home and material wellbeing for the children. The current Family Court system is deluded when it says it is acting in the best interests of children.

The Family Court system requires parents to prepare Affidavits. Family Law solicitors often encourage their clients to consider issues that were not previously issues.

Because Family law solicitors see their duty as an advocate to maximise the gains (in terms of residency and material gain) of their client irrespective of the needs of the child or fairness toward the other parent, they regularly broaden the theatre of conflict. They also need to do this to justify their exorbitant fees – typically $400 per hour, and $5,000 a day for a barrister.

In the tension of the formal, expensive, uncertain, and adversarial system which can have a wide range of outcomes depending on the broad discretionary powers (ie. largely unaccountable) of the judge or magistrate, the litigating parents begin to embellish, exaggerate and construct their Affidavits. This leads to outrage by the other parent and a round of Responses to the Affidavits follows. “Truth” becomes selective and loses balance. As they say – truth is the first casualty of war.

Because of the lies and distortions that typically eventuate from a Family Court process due to its adversarial nature, and because of the huge expense, the tension of the process that typically lasts two years before Final Orders are handed down, and because the Final Orders are typically prejudiced against and unnecessarily marginalise one of the parents, the relationship between the parents often becomes so embittered that the chances of some sort of reconciliation in the future has become highly unlikely.

The Family Court system minimises the chances of some sort of friendship reconciliation between the parents, and this is the most damaging aspect with regards to the psychological and emotional wellbeing of the children. The children are now likely to be damaged for life.


Family Court system provides incentive for conflict – does not address problems

The Family Court system currently says “if there is any evidence of conflict between the parents then equal parenting time is not an option.”

This gives incentive for the parent most likely to “win” custody (ie. usually the mum) to generate conflict.

The Family Court system has abrogated its responsibility to ensure parents behave responsibly and appropriately toward each other and toward their children (eg. to refrain from speaking badly about the other parent, known as “parental alienation”).

The response of the Family Court system is to minimise contact of the child to one of the parents (usually the dad). The authorities throw their hands in the air. In the words of one senior Family Court official “we can’t change human behaviour.”

On the contrary, case workers at the Family Relationship Centre must attempt to resolve issues of inappropriate behaviour and parental alienation, and if unsuccessful, they should be referred to the Family Court system where suitable penalties must be imposed such as Community Service, monetary fines, or even daytime jail for chronic offenders. We must address harmful behaviour and attitudes (parental alienation) by parents which are a form of emotional abuse of children.

However, reducing access of children to the offending parent should be a last resort as this penalises the children ! Better to treat the cause rather than apply a bandaid.


Penalising the parent who shows restraint

Another nonsensical policy of the Family Court system is to base residency on precedent. That is, when the case finally reaches the Final Hearing, the judge or magistrate looks at who has been the primary carer, and then awards residency to that parent.

This gives an incentive for couples to fight over residency in the two year lead-up to the Final Hearing (or at least until Interim Orders are granted which can also involve a considerable waiting time).

It means that parents who have been aggressive in maintaining majority residency prior to Orders are rewarded, and parents who have demonstrated restraint for the sake of peace and the sake of their children, are penalised.

We recommend that a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time apply from the moment of family separation, which can be backed up an immediate Recovery of Contact Order (RCO) by the police in the event that one parent is being obstructive.

It is often agued that a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will put some children at risk.

If children are at risk from one of their parents, reducing contact from 50% to 40%, 30% or even 20% will not remove the danger. By not awarding equal parenting, the Family Court system is not solving problems of children at risk.

If a child is at risk from one of the parents, that situation requires a definitive response from the Child Protection Agency.

The most recent statistics indicate that the Family Court awarded Joint Custody in 2.5% of cases (2000/01) 1.. Equal Custody would have been awarded in only a fraction of 2.5% of cases. Are we suggesting that children were at risk in over 97.5% of these cases ?

1. "Family Court of Australia, Residence and Contact orders - Any Application, For children by outcome 1994-95 to 2000-01"
www.familycourt.gov.au/presence/connect/www/home/about/business_administration/statistics/statistics_public_interest/




4. How a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will benefit children (more reasons)

A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time means that even before couples separate, they will know what the residency arrangements will be for the children (except in special circumstances where there is evidence of abuse). Couples will know this even before they have children. It will come as no surprise.

The Federal Government has set up a network of Family Relationship Centres around the country. This is an excellent initiative provided they are transparent and accountable. They are a recognition that the current Family Court system is seriously flawed. The Family Relationship Centres should have been introduced decades ago.

The idea of the Family Relationship Centres is to provide a free or low-cost service in an informal and friendly environment so professional mediators can assist separating couples in working out the details of their Parenting Plan.

If couples are unable to agree, the matter can then move on to the Family Court system. The mediator will write a report, and include details of whether one or both parents were inflexible or unwilling to negotiate.

We recommend that if a parent has been advised by a Family Relationship Centre mediator that the Family Court system will most likely award equal parenting time, yet they insist on refusing to negotiate, but instead take the matter to the Family Court system, and equal parenting time is then awarded, that parent would be responsible for the other parent’s legal fees as well as court costs.


So the Family Relationship Centres can succeed

The Family Relationship Centres are unlikely to be effective (and anecdotal evidence suggests that the success rate is so far quite low) until they are backed up by a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time, because typically dads want half time with their children and many mums do not accept this (perhaps because they are resentful or for other reasons which do not justify reducing the children’s contact with the dad).

Children have a right to spend maximum time with both parents. The way to express this right is with a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.

Studies demonstrate that a consistent concern of children going through the experience of family separation is that they want to see their parents being treated equally.

Children who do not have a meaningful role of both parents in their lives are handicapped. Research demonstrates that children in single parent families have higher incidences of teenage pregnancy, lower academic performance, higher drop-out and delinquency rates, as well as higher rates of depression, substance abuse and eating disorders.

With equal parenting, where one parent is deficient in one area, another parent is there to compensate.

Equal parenting time gives each parent a chance to recharge their batteries. They are likely to appreciate more spending quality time with their children during their contact days. Equal parenting time allows both parents a chance to find a balance between work and family life, and also to enjoy their social life.

Equal parenting time means that children can have contact with their grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles on both sides of their family.

The old argument that mums had custody because the dads are working no longer applies. The Family Court system regularly awards residency to mums who work full time. They have even been known to award residency to fulltime working mothers when the dads were not working or had flexible work arrangements !

More block time
It is often argued that equal parenting time is not good for children because it will involve more handovers and greater instability. But equal parenting time does not have to involve more handovers, and in most cases will require less handovers (for example in the most common pattern of “week-about”). Since the Family Court system has begun allowing children to spend more time with their dads by throwing in an afternoon after school, they have created more instability. Any child psychologist will tell you that children prefer not fragmented time but block time.

Once again, in an effort to hold on to a flawed regime, as well as their own centrality in family separation outcomes, the Family Court system compromises to best interests of children.

“If the judiciary is viewed in part as a business, as Charles Dickens suggested, the family courts’ customers are divorcing mothers who hope to win custody and windfall settlements. The more satisfied customers an enterprise has, the more it prospers. So it is not surprising that family courts are interested in attracting and satisfying customers.”

“The Myth of Deadbeat Dads” Baskerville, Stephen PhD. Liberty p28 June 2002 pp27-32
www.stephenbaskerville.net/The%20Myth%20of%20Deadbeat%20Dads.pdf


5. Other benefits of a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time

Downsizing the Child Support Agency
The Child Support regime is also a cause for much bitterness and even suicide in some cases. With a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time, the bitterness of Child Support will simply disappear in most cases.

Also we will save tens of millions of dollars from downsizing the Child Support Agency. It is estimated that it costs the Child Support Agency, ie taxpayers, about $2.00 for every $1.00 recovered by the Child Support Agency from marginalised parents who resist payment on principle.

Naturally, a fair Child Support regime must remain for parents who are not willing to care for their children half the time.

We argue that there be no Child Support obligations where there is equal parenting time, no matter what the respective income of either parent after separation. The reason for this is that it acts as a disincentive for both parents to look for ways to increase their own income, which is not beneficial for the children.

In cases where one parent argues they have limited capacity to generate income because they were looking after the children in the relationship while the other parent developed their career, compensation can be made in terms of division of assets at the time of separation, leaving no open-ended obligations.

Many alienated parents (typically dads) remain on low income or Unemployment Benefits in order to minimise their Child Support payments. This is not beneficial to the children or the national economy.

Many alienated parents (typically dads) skip the country often taking their assets with them as they know that they will lose most of their assets and gain little contact with their children if they stay. There is a huge ex-patriot population living overseas because of the unjust Family Law regime we currently have. Typically when they move overseas they lose all, or virtually all, contact with their children which is detrimental to the children.

This also means a considerable drain of assets out of the country which is a negative for the national economy.


Family Court system bursting at the seams

The Family Court system is bursting at the seams. There are now more Family Court judges and Federal Magistrates than ever before. The typical period of a case going to Final Hearing is two years – two years of posturing by the parents, of uncertainty, tension and stress. Judges and magistrates regularly make mistakes due to the pressure of work. They often make judgements on the run.

The Family Court system costs tens of millions of dollars a year to maintain.

The rate of family separation, when including de facto relationships, is steadily increasing. We need to find a way to assist separating couples resolve their differences quickly, before they have time to ferment and conflict escalates.


Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will downsize the Family Law industry

The Family Court system is to some extent “captured” by a very lucrative billion dollar Family Law industry from which most judges and magistrates originate. The Family Law industry has spent considerable sums of money preparing submissions arguing against sensible reform of Family Law, in order to preserve its prosperous existence.

Family Law solicitors have been known to undermine negotiations at pre-trial conferences.

Limited (and weak) reforms have been introduced in 2005 and 2006 which included the establishment of the Family Relationship Centres. Immediately the Family Law industry lobbied the government to guarantee themselves a slice of the new Family Law mediation industry.

But Family Law solicitors have been trained in adversarial methods and techniques, and not in conflict prevention, conflict resolution, mediation, family psychology and child psychology etc. We believe they should be excluded from such mediation services.

In fact, we believe that all couples must attend a designated Family Relationship Centre before they can enter into the Family Court system. At present couples merely have to assert they have attempted some sort of mediation somewhere.

It is important to restrict pre-Court mediation to the Family Relationship Centres in order to maintain an adequate and consistent level of quality control, and to be able to conduct comprehensive retrospective analyses of their effectiveness.

Allowing Family Law solicitors to conduct pre-Court mediation makes a mockery of the new mediation strategy. Solicitors say they will sign contracts which will bar them from representing either party following mediation, but while this may prevent individual conflict of interest, it does not prevent industry conflict of interest.

Family Law solicitors are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will allow Family Relationship Centres to achieve successful outcomes and make much of the Family Law industry redundant.



6. When equal parenting time is not appropriate

Reasons why equal parenting time may not apply include
6.1 child abuse
6.2 chronic neglect
6.3 parent has moved away


6.1 Child abuse
In the case of child abuse, sexual child abuse would indicate that the offending parent would have no unsupervised contact, at least until after a long period of monitored rehabilitation.

In the case of physical and emotional abuse, Child Protection officers in conjunction with a case worker from the Family Relationship Centre would determine the severity of the abuse, and make recommendations to the judge or magistrate as to the level of contact. Emphasis would be placed on rehabilitation of the offending parent with the aim of achieving equal parenting.

Child Protection Agencies must investigate allegations of child abuse immediately, whether parents are together or separated. Both parents must be investigated to determine the truth. There must be appropriate penalties in place for false allegations, and of course immediate action to protect children in cases of demonstrated abuse, as well as appropriate penalties for the offending parent. The process of investigation must be transparent and accountable.

We should make polygraph tests / lie-detectors available to parents.

Parents must have recourse to a dedicated Ombudsman for Family Issues.


6.2 Chronic neglect
Child Protection officers in conjunction with a case worker from the Family Relationship Centre would work with the parent in question to achieve a high level of quality care. If after a period of time this has not been achieved, then the presumption of equal parenting time can be withdrawn and contact reduced until such time the parent has demonstrated responsible and adequate parenting skills.


6.3 Parent has moved away
It is not fair on children to expect them to regularly travel long distances between parents’ homes, which increases the risk of car accident. Likewise excessive travel to school is not in the child’s best interests.

If a parent has moved more than half an hour’s drive from where family separation occurred, they must be given the opportunity to move back closer or risk losing the Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.

(If both parents have moved away more than half an hour’s drive from the place where family separation occurred, parents can structure equal parenting on a three-year rotational basis, for example).

Either parent can move half an hour by car away from the point where family separation occurred without forfeiting the Presumption of Equal Parenting Time, so children may be up to one hour’s drive away from the other parent, but still only half an hour’s drive from their school.

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This Information Kit has been prepared by Geoff Holland and others of the Equal Parenting Network
EqualParenting@optusnet.com.au.

Feedback, including constructive critical arguments are appreciated.


Monday, May 21, 2007

Draft: Family Relationship Centres policy recommendations

Family Relationship Centres (FRCs) Policy Recommendations

Of course people will say it is too early to say if the Family Relationship Centres (FRCs) are going to work in the sense of reducing the number of cases that go to the Family Court system.

They will need to do a review in a year or two, and then hold conferences to discuss the results of the review (another year or two), and then discuss policy recommendations (another year or two). We shouldn't wait six years before action is taken to reform the FRCs. We should start lobbying NOW !

The success of the FRCs must be measured in terms of
- the percentage of cases they have prevented from going to the Family Court system, and
- the percentage of cases which result in Equal Parenting Time, because equal parenting is best for kids !

While the FRCs are a good idea in the main, one of the worrying aspects is that mediation will be private - unlike the Family Court system where members of the public can witness proceedings.

Below I have drafted 12 policy recommendations, which I would like people to comment on, and perhaps suggest others. Then after debate and review, we could submit them to government.

Cheers, Geoff

POLICY 1
PRESUMPTION OF EQUAL PARENTING TIME

FRCs are unlikely to be effective until there is a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time incorporated into the Family Law Act because there will be no incentive to mediate if the either parent (usually the mum) believes they can get majority residency in the Family Court system.


POLICY 2
Support person

No solicitor can be present at the mediation sessions. However, either parent can bring along a support person who is a close friend or relative (but not a professional).


POLICY 3
Public access to proceedings

Mediation sessions should be recorded and made publically available on podcasts, so that public scrutiny is not lost.

Sounds like a radical suggestion ? Well I am just trying to preserve the status quo in terms of public accountability. Remember that organisations who run the FRCs such as Relationships Australia and CentaCare, are staffed 70% or more by women. Also, both these organisations and others involved in running FRCs made submissions to the Inquiry into Child Custody 2004 AGAINST a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.


POLICY 4
Exclusivity of FRCs

Every couple should be obliged to attend an FRC, and no other mediation service (especially those run by Family Law solicitors), because we need to do precise studies on the effectiveness of policies, and we cannot do these studies if mediation is being carried out by a huge variety of organisations. Limiting mandatory mediation to the FRCs gives far better prospects for QUALITY CONTROL


POLICY 5
Mandatory mediation

Neither parent can use the excuse that they wish to be exempt from mediation on the basis that the other partner is too violent or has been abusive to the children. The issue of child abuse needs to be taken up with Child Protection who need to ensure child safety - by restricting access if necessary. If required, mediation can take place via an online video-conference with parents in separate locations.


POLICY 6
Transparency in evaluation

The FRCs need to present statistics and evaluation of outcomes on a regular basis and these need to be made available to the public.


POLICY 7
Courses

FRCs need to be adequately funded to run courses in Conflict Resolution, Conflict Prevention, Advanced Parenting, The Harm of Parental Alienation, Anger Management. (Participants can pay part of the cost, say $15 per session).


POLICY 8
Case workers

FRCs need to be adequately funded to assign qualified case workers to couples where there are accusations of violence or sex abuse, to acertain the veracity, and to trigger remedial action where cases are verified, ranging from attending courses, for mild instances, to removal of the child in serious cases. Case workers should be able to interact regularly with children where there is suspicion of parental abuse, but case workers should scrutinise both parents even-handedly. Courses should be available for groups of children to teach them about signs of physical or sexual abuse, and how to alert the case-worker, or school counsellor, as well as teach them how abusive parents might ask them to keep a secret, and why it is important not to keep such a secret.


POLICY 9
Attending courses - authority

FRCs need to be given the authority to oblige parents to attend courses (Conflict Resolution, Conflict Prevention, Advanced Parenting, The Harm of Parental Alienation, Anger Management) and to make recommendations to a court to impose penalties (community service, fines, daytime jail, extended jail) for chronic antisocial behaviour including lack of cooperation, communication, and consultation regarding parenting, violent attitudes, physical or emotional/psychological violent behaviour, parental alienation, sexual abuse.


POLICY 10
Process Parental Agreements

FRCs need the authority to fully process Parental Agreements which would have the legal strength of court orders, and the authority to lodge them with the Family Court to help minimise parents’ contact with the court.


POLICY 11
Opportunity for review

Either parent should be able to review Parental Agreements by calling for a mediation session at an FRC. Mediators and case workers who see a parent acting vexaciously by calling for excessive mediation sessions can refer the case to the Family Court system.


POLICY 12
FRC Complaints Investigation Service (CIS)

That an independent FRC Complaints Investigation Service be established to investigate claims of bias, non-professionalism, or mistakes etc for clients of the FRCs. This CIS should also be transparent and accountable to prevent it from being captured by the FRC industry.

Tuesday, May 15, 2007

I am an uneducated black man

To my sister, a loyal feminist:

I am an uneducated black man. I don't have the right to vote. People say the brains of black people are smaller than the brains of white people, and we are not as intelligent. Also we are not educated. Therefore it would be irresponsible to allow us to vote because we wouldn't be able to vote responsibly. We might vote for a tyrant, for example !

My sister says that although I am black and uneducated (she is white, educated and has the right to vote), she thinks that in my case I should be able to vote because she thinks I am intelligent enough. But she agrees, black people shouldn't be given the right to vote.

Monday, May 7, 2007

Debate with a male feminist sociologist on DV

Hi all,
I wrote to sociologist Dr Shane Hopkinson following what I thought was an unfair article by him on Domestic Violence.

He responded to me and I have since responded to him. The text follows. I didn't include the two attachments I sent him (The Trinity College Study on Domestic Violence and the Dads'Data document) but I can supply to anyone who wants a copy (previously posted on the forum).

Your comments and views can be added to what might be an ongoing debate, so send them in ! (I'm going to post it on my website www.equalparentingtime@blogspot.com at least).

Cheers,
Geoff

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Hi Shane,

Thanks for responding. Appreciate we need to fit in any sort of dialogue in amongst a busy work schedule for both of us.

Of course false allegations of sexual abuse are hard to disprove (and likewise hard to prove) but they are fairly rare (I'll see what stats I can find).

A study on the total number of allegations of abuse (physical and sexual) of men toward women, and women toward men, as well as allegations of abuse (physical and sexual) of fathers to their children and mothers to their children in the context of a case in the Family Court system would be very useful. Then we could look at what proportion were able to be confidently proven or disproven, and what proportion could not be either proven or disproven.

The trick is now to penalise people from making false or grossly exaggerated claims without deterring people from making genuine claims.

I suggest that if someone makes a claim that cannot be disproven, they would not be penalised. Only in cases where it can be reasonably disproven, then that claimant should be penalised - say in the form of Community Service. It is in the interests of everyone to penalise people who make false allegations because they devalue legitimate claims.

I am a bit puzzled by your claims of a 'feminist movement'. Outside a small academic circle where I work very few women I know called themselves 'feminists' these days.

I am equally puzzled. You suggest that women in your small academic circle might identify themselves as feminists. In the national academic circle there are, I suggest, a significant number of men and women who would identify themselves as feminists (I once applied to do a post-grad in Communications at UTS, and was told I could choose any area as long as I located my research and thesis within a feminist framework and argued from a feminist perspective. That was an entire faculty !)

Here are some organisations that could define the locus of the feminist movement. (Not that all members of these organisations would identify themselves as feminists, but I suggest the vast majority would).

Abortion Rights Network of Australia
Association of Women Educators
Australian Breastfeeding Association
Australian Capital Territory Office for Women, ACT Govt
Australian Council of Businesswomen
Australasian Council of Women and Policing
Australian Federation of Medical Women
Australian Federation of University Women
Australian Feminist Law Foundation
Australian Federation of Women's International Zionist Organisations
Australian Local Government Women's Association
Australian National Committee on Refugee Women
Australian Nursing Federation
Australian Office for the Status of Women
Australian Women's Coaltion
Australian Women's Health Network
Australian Women Lawyers
Australian Women's Party Australian Women's Studies Association
Breast Cancer Network of Australia
Business and Professional Women Australia
Catholic Women's League of Australia
Coalition Against Trafficking in Women
Coalition of Activist Lesbians- Australia
Coalition of Australian Participating Organisations of Women
Homebirth Australia Inc
International Women's Development Agency
Maternity Alliance
Mothers Opposing Pollution
Mothers' Union In Australia
National Association of Services Against Sexual Violence
National Association of Women in Construction
National Council of Jewish Women of Australia
National Council for the Single Mother and Her Child
National Council of Women of Australia
National Foundation for Australian Women
National Indigenous Women's Coalition
National Network of Indigenous Women's Legal Services
National Network of Women's Legal Services
National Union of Students Women's Department
National Women's Justice Coalition
National Women's Media Centre
Network of Women in Further Education
NSW Office for Women, NSW Govt
Northern Territory Office of Women's Policy, NT Govt.
Nursing Mothers Association of Australia
Office of Women's Affairs, Brisbane City Council
Pan-Pacific and South East Asian Women's Association of Australia Inc.
Public Health Association of Australia's Women's Health Special Interest Group
Queensland Office for Women. Qld Govt
Radical Women
Society of Women Writers of Australia
Sole Parent's Union
Soroptimists International of the South West Pacific
South Australia Office for Women, SA Govt
Tasmania Women, Tas Govt
UNIFEM Australia Inc.
Union of Australian Women
United Nations Association (Australia) Status of Women Network
Victoria Office of Women's Policy, Vic Govt
Western Australia Office for Women's Policy, WA Govt
Women's Action Alliance
Women and Aids National Working Party
Women in Engineering
Women in Film and Television (Australia)
Women in Management
Women in Science Inquiry Network
Women in Super
Women into Politics
Women on Boards
Women with Disabilities
Women's Economic Think Tank
Women's Electoral Lobby
Women's Services Network
Women's Financial Network
Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
Women's Network for Technical and Vocational Education and Training
Women's Rights Action Network Australia
Zonta International Australia

Are you able to produce a similar list of men's groups in Australia ?

Most women in the Australian Labor Party and in the Union Movement are likely to consider themselves feminists. And as you suggest, there are a considerable number of women in DV related services etc.

Many people, including the contemporary ("reconstructed") male, may not explicitly identify themselves as a feminist (as I once did) but have internalised feminist myths and ideology, and hence take a feminist-compatible position (of course, like anyone, they would say their position is independent and objective).

The point is that women who identify themselves as feminists are more likely to hold influential positions, eg in academia, politics and government, senior positions in the public service, in professional organisations, activist NGOs and community organisations etc.

I am merely responding to your comment that few women would call themselves feminists these days.

I speculate that many women may no longer identify themselves as a feminist due to what you may term a 'backlash' but what I may term an acknowledgement that the feminist movement is guilty of the same kinds of chauvanism, aggression and misandry that they blamed men for (misogyny).

From opinion polls I have seen, and my own experience in petitioning, most women support a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time. I would also say that most women who regard themselves as feminists also support a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time. But it is the more radical core of the feminist movement that opposes it. (This is how I define 'mainstream feminists' from 'radical feminists').

Some people, including myself, feel that the feminist movement is no longer about gender equity, but is simply a women's lobby, which now is becoming excessive - eg in terms of opposing a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time, arguing against affirmative action eg scholarships to attract more male teachers to improve academic performance of boys, of portraying domestic violence as 100% perpetrated by men, and women as 100% of the victims (and only men exhibiting controlling behaviour etc), of arguing against male-only clubs but allowing female-only clubs etc, opposing the funding of Men's Centres etc etc.

The fact is, women would benefit by supporting the funding of Men's Centres. The best way to change male behaviour is to fund supportive services and organisations for men.

Women also need to look at their own behaviour ! Women are understandably becoming more assertive. But when does assertive behaviour become controlling and aggressive behaviour ?

I'm not sure how this small group promotes the fear of 'men'

By portraying men as violent. Most men are not violent. Myth-making by the feminist movement has been running for 40 years now. There has been no strong source of counter-myths until the last decade with the Feminazi myth-making by a part of the Men's Movement. But few people have heard the term "Feminazi" while nearly all have heard of "Male chauvanist pig". True, the latter term has lost currency (but the internalised myth will take much longer to dissipate). But the DV campaigns are more insidious as the myths are visual but non-textual. The myth is that men are 100% perpetrators of domestic violence and women and children are 100% victims of male violence. The truth is more like 70% male perpetrated to 30% female perpetrated.

The difference is extremely important. If it is 70% male perpetrated you have 70:30 ratio. If it is 99% male perpetrated you have 99:1 ratio. If it is 100% male perpetrated you have an infinity ratio, which is no ratio, which is a powerful myth. Men do it, women don't.

Mothers are more responsible for physical abuse toward children than fathers, but this form of domestic violence is not widely recognised. Why not include it in DV campaigns ? (I know why). It is argued that violence toward children breeds violence when they are adults. (I wonder how the data would shape up if you factored in time mothers spent with children as opposed fathers).

Of course mythologising women as eternal victims is hardly empowering for women either...


http://www.noviolence.com.au/public/newsletters/news18.pdf
Aside: the site won't let me copy. Can you send me a copy of your article so I can more readily quote from it ?

I used the ABS data because it was the most neutral data set.

Correct.

Why then does the Australian Office for the Status of Women and the Queensland Office for Women. Qld Govt use the Access Economics Report (Cost of DV)
http://www.accesseconomics.com.au/publicationsreports/showreport.php?id=23&searchfor=2004&searchby=year

which I believe is based on an obscure study commissioned by the Office of Women's Affairs, Brisbane City Council, that suggested at one point that 98% of domestic violence was perpetrated by men. The Advertising Standards Board has quoted this statistic from their client (Queensland Office for Women. Qld Govt), stating that 98% was close enough to 100% etc.

Access Economics was forced to publish a Corrigendum (see same URL), but the DV campaign feminists insist on using the erroneous data !

Do you agree that the ratio of domestic violence according to the ABS PSS data is about 70:30 men-perpetrated to women-perpetrated ?

As a sociologist trained in objectivity and neutrality, who is involved with research into Domestic Violence, and thus interested in the methodology and impact of Domestic Violence campaigns, would you please investigate the above, in what I would consider an important academic exercise ?

Can you also explain why it is important to show all perpetrators of domestic violence as men, and all victims as women and children (but not men) ?

A recent study (Trinity College, Dublin) of people attending doctor's surgeries (for any reason) reports that 43% of women reported one or more incidents of violence by their partner, and 54% of men reported one or more incidents by their partner. I attach a copy for your interest. I am not pushing the "equally violent" line. I just want more investigation in the light of blatant feminist bias in this area.

It shows that men are twice as likely to be victims of violence as women overall - and that overwhelmingly at the hands of other men....

I think it would be good if the 'men's right's' movement (or whatever you want to call it) stopped suggesting that men are the victims of women's violence (tho of course that happens) and look at the big picture. Men are the even bigger victims of male violence than women are but I rarely hear those men who are critical of 'feminism' point that out because it doesn't serve their agenda.

Sure, I acknowledge this. I have seen this figure in Men's Movement discourse. I don't think there is denial about this. What does it prove ? We focus on debunking the 100% male perpetration myth because we believe it is used to block a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.

Women's groups have argued that a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time will expose children to greater levels of violence (because men are violent). This is an indefensible argument in my view.

Some men argue that children in the care of single mothers with boyfriends and new male partners - ie when the Family Court awards majority residency to the mother - are at greater risk of abuse from the non-biological step-father. The data backs up this argument. I do not use this argument because it penalises the majority of men who are not abusive and we have to find better ways to prevent abuse other than restricting access (except of course in proven cases).

And the implication of this argument is to give majority residency to fathers, which in my view is as equally absurd (against the best interests of children) as the status quo.

We do not focus on men being the victim of women's violence as you suggest. On the contrary, it is the women's movement which is focussing on women being the victim of men's violence. We are merely responding to this to put it in perspective, and prevent the exaggerated myth-making and political manipulation of the myth to prevent a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.

The DV campaigns not only pretend 100% of perpetrators are male, but they never give the data on how many families suffer from chronic domestic violence. This omission generates a myth that chronic domestic violence is prevalent in most homes. (Myths can be generated not just by information presented, but also information omitted).

I'm not sure what 'anti-masculinism' is but on many men's interpretation any attempt to equalise power between the sexes is a threat to male prerogatives and so is 'anti-masculine' in that sense. Perhaps you could spell out for me more clearly what you mean.

I use the neologistic term "anti-masculinism" to demonstrate bias of the feminist movement. Everyone knows what anti-feminism is. Anti-masculinism is simply the opposite - opposition to the Men's Movement.

Your interpretation is that:

"any attempt to equalise power between the sexes is a threat to male prerogatives"

My interpretation is that the Men's Movement is principally about gender equity. Surprised ?

And I regard your interpretation as "anti-masculinist" and a product of myths about the Men's Movement. (Prior to becoming involved myself, my view was that the Men's Movement comprised of angry psychopaths on the one hand, and firecamp co-counselling wooses on the other. I found neither). It suggests that you are not very familiar with the Men's Movement in Australia. Yes, there are people who occasionally espouse sexist rhetoric. But if you look at most of the discussion, as well as the policy and actions of the organisations, I don't believe you can conclude as you do.

The conservative end of the spectrum focuses on defending the family, opposes the recognition of same-sex marriage and their adoption of children. Some argue for a return to fault-based divorce. But none of this is sexist. And I would say this is not the concern for the majority of people in the Men's Movement.

Its hard to get into specifics - if we were to survey men - how many would ask to 'equal time' with their children...

Let's survey men and ask them if they would like the right to equal parenting. I am sure you would get an overwhelming response supporting this right. I believe the majority of fathers would take on the responsibility of equal parenting given the opportunity and support in the community.

But most men have to work and so are restricted in how much time they can have with the children.

Don't most women have to work ? If not, why not ? We have maternity leave in some areas of business and public service. Why aren't feminists also fighting for paternity leave ?

I regard this as a key issue for men. What would you regard as the "biggest issue" for men ?

If it was equal then that would be reflected in child support formula - even as it stands having them 2 nights a week (I think it is) gets you a reduction as 'significant care' when that involves you in very little care of the child.

Dads resent having to pay for the privilege of not having fair access to their children. The single parents' pension can only be paid to one parent. This is a dilemma for the Family Court system / CSA / Govt which they don't want to deal with. Yes, equal parenting should mean equal benefits. Yes we support the women's movement in their drive for more flexible work arrangements, more job-sharing, more affordable childcare facilities. A Presumption of Equal Parenting Time would no doubt have a major positive impact on men's culture and society in general.

I think male suicide is an issue

Yes it is. And Dads-in-Distress in particular has promoted the link between male suicide and the blatant discrimination and alienation fathers from their children in the Family Court system.

The Men's Movement remembers the anniversary of the suicide of ALP MP Greg Wilton following an unfair Family Court ruling. We know there are many hundreds of others like him, not to mention victims of murder-suicide (mums and children).

DiDs generally likes to refer to the total male suicide rate, about five per day, four times that of women. The total number directly attributable to the Family Court system could be as high as 10%. That is a lot of blood on the hands of the Family Court. Unfortunately only a few Coroners test for this link. Some do, and others could retrospectively. In any case, you could measure the difference after an implementation of a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.

Why not? Do you seriously think that men and women are equally violent? Does this tally with your everyday experience? And the main victims of this violence will be MEN - overall at twice the rate that women are.

I am not trying to promote the notion that men and women are equally violent, but rather to counter the notion that men are violent and women are not. Also, I would like emotional and psychological violence to be more fully researched - not to prove one gender is more violent in this area than the other, but to establish the link - the myth that a woman after many years of psychological abuse, stabbed her husband - but here I am not trying to discredit this myth. Men often explode after being presented by unfair or manipulative behaviour by women - yes, equally a myth. Let's explore them and test them. Violence by the male is not justified. But if we are going to resolve violence, we need to become aware of the broader patterns of behaviour, including the triggers. I think feminist research into DV is unwilling to look at manipulative behaviours by women.

When men are victims of DV then they should get the same sorts of responses as women do

Yes but they don't ! Can you show me a text from a Women's DV organisation that highlights this problem and recommends remedial action ?

of course theres still a large section of the community that thinks DV is not a issue and reject women's claims

of course there's still a large section of the community, especially the feminist community, that thinks that female DV against their male partner is not an issue and reject men's claims...

Violence is a gendered issue and unless men are prepared to address the fact that most of the violence in our society (not just at home) is committed by men then we don't have the right place to address the issue overall.

Why call it a "gendered issue" ? This term implies that men are to blame for violence. Does it really help solve the problem to call it "gendered" ?

Physical assaults in 12 months prior to the 2005 PSS ABS study.
By men By women Total (By both men and women)
Women victims 195,300 66,579 242,000 19,879
Men victims 425,429 79,500 485,400 19,529

By this data, there is violence happening in all directions. By calling it "gendered" are you going to reduce the number of women assaulting women, or women assaulting men ?

by male stranger by fem. stranger by partner or ex-p other
men 65% 4.4% (21,200)
women 15% 31% (73,800)

Indicates partner or ex-partner violence (a key form of domestic violence) is perpetrated 22.3% by women and 77.7% by men.

125,100 women experienced physical assault by a male perpetrator at home while 60,900 men experienced physical assault by a female perpetrator at home. This suggests partner or ex-partner violence at home (a key form of domestic violence) is perpetrated 33% by women and 67% by men.

Physical assaults in 12 months prior to the 2005 PSS ABS study.
By men By women Total (By both men and women)
Women victims 195,300 66,579 242,000 19,879
Men victims 425,429 79,500 485,400 19,529

The reason that the total number of victims is less than the number of victims by men plus the number by women is that some people have been a victim of both men and women.

The ratio of male assaulting female compared to female assaulting male (but not only in the home) appears to be 29:71


> Ok its getting late here and so I won't continue right now but let me sign off with asking you about the 4 "myths" the feminist movement has created that you cite at the end of your email - can you provide me with references to feminists who make these specific claims?

1. that men are intrinsically flawed
2. that men are not as worthy parents as women
3. that equal parenting is destabilising for children
4. that Equal Parenting Time will put children at a greater risk of abuse

It is unlikely that a feminist would say outright that men are instrinsically flawed (and women are not) - but there may even be examples. However, it is the implication of much feminist discourse.

If you
1. say violence is "gendered" (ie perpetrated by men)
2. portray 100% of domestic violence as perpetrated by men, and
3. say we cannot increase children's access to fathers following divorce as this would expose children to greater levels of violence and abuse

...you are suggesting that men are instrinsically flawed. Myths do not work on the conscious level, on the level of reason and intellectual debate. They work on the sub-conscious level. Sometimes myths can be sown unintentionally. If separated parents argue, the child often comes to believe they are to blame for the conflict and the separation of the parents.

The other three myths I can demonstrate more explicitly, eg by going through media archives and submissions to the 2004 Inquiry Into Child Custody http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/fca/childcustody/subs.htm

But that would take time. If you press me for evidence, I will follow it up.



Regards,
Geoff Holland

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Hopkinson"
To: "Geoff Holland"
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:06 PM

Subject: RE: Your article 'Are Women as Violent as Men'
Dear Geoff

Work has been pretty busy so forgive me if this is a bit cursory but I wanted to respond and I hope that we might get some useful dialogue out of the exchange.

I was subject to a false allegations of violence and received a DVO. I don't expect you to necessarily believe me. You probably think there were justifying actions or circumstances. There were not. My ex-partner and her mother also made - not specific accusations of sexual abuse to my young son - but strong direct insinuations in their affidavits. I was among the lucky few who was able to prove these insinuations were ingenuous. Usually false allegations of sexual abuse are very difficult to disprove. I do not know the frequency, as you may do, but yes Shane, it happens.

I have no reason to disbelieve you there are certainly cases of women using DVO's in a punitive fashion. I, too, have been a victim of false allegations (not from my ex-wife tho) but I don't think that that means the vast majority of cases are like that. Of course false allegations of sexual abuse are hard to disprove (and likewise hard to prove) but they are fairly rare (I'll see what stats I can find).

Your link between the Domestic Violence arena and reforms of the Family Law Act is interesting, because I also make such a link but in a different way. I see the feminist movement as using the Domestic Violence campaigns, partly to reduce domestic violence (in a misconceived and misleading way I believe), but also to heighten fear of 'men' and thus scare people about reforms in the Family Law Act and the move to allow children greater access to their dads following separation.

I am a bit puzzled by your claims of a 'feminist movement'. Outside a small academic circle where I work very few women I know called themselves 'feminists' these days. I'm not sure how how this small group promotes the fear of 'men' except in the relation to the kinds of statistics that I quote in my article - as far as I can see you don't address this data at all. Women in DV services of course tend to see the worst of the violence that exists between men and women - and most of that is committed by men - so in that sense they have a bias since most often there work involves protecting women from male violence.

I would like to say that it is important to recognise that two people can be looking at the same set of facts or data and read them in very different ways - and both have valid arguments for their own interpretation.

I am sociologist by training and so adopting different perspectives and interpretations is pretty normal. I used the ABS data because it was the most neutral data set. It shows that men are twice as likely to be victims of violence as women overall - and that overwhelmingly at the hands of other men. For men tho most of that violence happens at the pub whereas women experience violence much more often at home. I think it would be good if the 'men's right's' movement (or whatever you want to call it) stopped suggesting that men are the victims of women's violence (tho of course that happens) and look at the big picture. Men are the even bigger victims of male violence than women are but I rarely hear those men who are critical of 'feminism' point that out because it doesn't serve their agenda.

Many men would argue that the Women's Rights movement receives millions of dollars in funding from the government, and that the Women's Rights movement promotes 'anti-masculinism'.

Of course this is their interpretation. I'm not sure which 'women's rights' groups recieve millions in funding. If you mean DV services or services for women's health then certainly the government sponsors specific services. These groups tho are government controlled and subject to rules and regulations. I'm not sure what 'anti-masculinism' is but on many men's interpretation any attempt to equalise power between the sexes is a threat to male prerogatives and so is 'anti-masculine' in that sense. Perhaps you could spell out for me more clearly what you mean.

I don't know which groups you refer to, but on my radar the principle groups are Lone Fathers, Men's Rights Agency, Dads-in-Distress, Shared Parenting Council of Australia (umbrella group), Fatherhood Foundation, and the less active Fathers-4-Equality and the Men's Confraternity. Only one of these, MRA, talks about 'rights'. The others do not. They give exclusive priority to the notion of the 'best interests of the child'. (This is a whole other area I won't go into here). So it is really a Men's Movement or a Dad's Movement rather than a Men's Rights movement. Although I see the issues as involving rights, most do not.

I was using Men's Rights' as shorthand - the groups you mention seek to increase the rights of men - in relation to the custody of their children after separation. So I would say that 'Father's rights' is fair shorthand. The issues you raise here are important ones but they weren't what I was addressing in my article. So its interesting that this is the direction the argument has taken.

As I see it, Equal Parenting is the single biggest issue for men. Following this is Child Support formulae.

Its hard to get into specifics - if we were to survey men - how many would ask to 'equal time' with their children. I have been an active parent to my 2 daughters (every second weekend and every wednesday night was the common pattern - and I must in fairness add that my relationship with their mum is a very good one so I am lucky in that sense) and more recently the eldest has come to live with me. But most men have to work and so are restricted in how much time they can have with the children. If you wanted 'equal time' with the children - say taking week about then this would be great but would hardly be the 'biggest issue' for most men. Is that what you mean by equal parenting? If it was equal then that would be reflected in child support formula - even as it stands having them 2 nights a week (I think it is) gets you a reduction as 'significant care' when that involves you in very little care of the child.

Other issues such as addressing lower life expectancy higher suicide rates, and lower academic performance in males, smaller funding for Men's Centres, smaller funding for prostate cancer as opposed to breast and cervical cancer, pertain more to a Men's Movement, but are far less significant (perhaps I see it this way because of the type of forums I follow).

Many of these are important issues for men - but you ahve to compare apples with applies. I think male suicide is an issue (of course women attempt it more than men) but I don't think the funding is based on gender - theres quite a lot about male suicide especially in rural areas. Boys are falling behind in some areas but there's a huge variation based on other factors - and no one called it a 'crisis' in the last 50 years when boys outperformed girls. I'm not sure what the funding on different health issues looks like - about equal numbers dies from prostate and breast cancer - and both seems well promoted in the community. A bit complaint of those in health promotion is that men won't go to doctors till its too late.

The term 'gendered violence' is a feminist one. No one in the Men's Movement to my knowledge talks about 'gendered violence' or 'non-gendered' violence.

Why not? Do you seriously think that men and women are equally violent? Does this tally with your everyday experience? I'm not sure if you have more than the one son (I have 2 girls) and in my life and theirs everything tells me it is boys/men who are much more likely to solve their problems physically. And the main victims of this violence will be MEN - overall at twice the rate that women are.

True, most of us think that most reporting of domestic violence is skewed. However, most of us are happy to go along with the ABS PSS study stats. But we have it in writing that Federal and Qld State domestic violence campaigns showing all men as perpetrators and all women as victims were based on the Access Economics study which they claim stated that 98% of domestic violence is perpetrated by men. I'm not even going to bother pulling this one apart...

I used the ABS study as the least contentious. I haven't read the Access Economics study but I am guessing that its the one that costed DV at billions of dollars. If they suggested that 98% of DV is carried out by men I'd like to see how they reached that number but surely you are not suggesting that Access Economics is a feminist organisation - they are mostly right-wing economists.

It is true that sometimes people in the Men's Movement will argue that violence is equal between men and women, or even that women are more violent, but most accept a rough conceptual 1:2 ratio. Some, however, do want emotional and psychological violence recognised and researched more thoroughly. I assume many feminists would also !

Well it was feminists who first argued that DV was more than physical abuse so its interesting that the men's movement now wants to claim this too. When men are victims of DV then they should get the same sorts of responses as women do [of course theres still a large section of the community that thinks DV is not a issue and reject women's claims so not the same response in that sense]. But if we are concerned about violence against men then we need to focus on ALL the violence men suffer - most of which as the stats show is at the hands of other men - not at the hands of women. Violence is a gendered issue and unless men are prepared to address the fact that most of the violence in our society (not just at home) is committed by men then we don't have the right place to address the issue overall.

Ok its getting late here and so I won't continue right now but let me sign off with asking you about the 4 "myths" the feminist movement has created that you cite at the end of your email - can you provide me with references to feminists who make these specific claims?

I am pleased to have received a response from someone in your position and look forward to some further dialogue.

Regards, Shane

__________________________________________________

To :
Shane Hopkinson
Sociology, CQU

From: Geoff Holland

Hi Shane,
I acquired your e-mail address from the CQU website - I hope you don't mind. I recently read an article of yours from Queensland Centre for Domestic and Family Violence Research Vol 5 No2 Dec 2006

I am a dad who went all the way through the Family Court system, and who has since become an activist for a Presumption of Equal Parenting Time.

I was subject to a false allegations of violence and received a DVO. I don't expect you to necessarily believe me. You probably think there were justifying actions or circumstances. There were not. My ex-partner and her mother also made - not specific accusations of sexual abuse to my young son - but strong direct insinuations in their affidavits. I was among the lucky few who was able to prove these insinuations were ingenuous. Usually false allegations of sexual abuse are very difficult to disprove. I do not know the frequency, as you may do, but yes Shane, it happens.

Recent politicking from Men's Rights groups and amendments to Family Law legislation are two examples of an apparent backlash against feminism".

Your link between the Domestic Violence arena and reforms of the Family Law Act is interesting, because I also make such a link but in a different way. I see the feminist movement as using the Domestic Violence campaigns, partly to reduce domestic violence (in a misconceived and misleading way I believe), but also to heighten fear of 'men' and thus scare people about reforms in the Family Law Act and the move to allow children greater access to their dads following separation.

I would like to say that it is important to recognise that two people can be looking at the same set of facts or data and read them in very different ways - and both have valid arguments for their own interpretation.

I would like to offer a few quick comments - ie feedback from someone in the Men's Movement - on a section of your article, for your interest.


"The Fathers Rights Agenda in many respects there is a false controversy being created in the media and, it would seem, in the minds of my students, which I think is an important marker of the extent to which the backlash politics is gaining ground. It is driven by a Fathers' Rights anti-feminism which has seen the government sponsor such groups as Lone Fathers Association to the tune of $100,000 over 2 years (Summers 2003:98), and who have thus been able to promote the idea that violence is not gendered and/or that the 'issue' of domestic violence is really the product of a 'feminist industry' that exaggerates the extent of family violence and unfairly blames it all on men".


Many men would argue that the Women's Rights movement receives millions of dollars in funding from the government, and that the Women's Rights movement promotes 'anti-masculinism'.

I don't know which groups you refer to, but on my radar the principle groups are Lone Fathers, Men's Rights Agency, Dads-in-Distress, Shared Parenting Council of Australia (umbrella group), Fatherhood Foundation, and the less active Fathers-4-Equality and the Men's Confraternity. Only one of these, MRA, talks about 'rights'. The others do not. They give exclusive priority to the notion of the 'best interests of the child'. (This is a whole other area I won't go into here). So it is really a Men's Movement or a Dad's Movement rather than a Men's Rights movement. Although I see the issues as involving rights, most do not.

As I see it, Equal Parenting is the single biggest issue for men. Following this is Child Support formulae. In this sense the Men's Movement is a Dad's Movement. Other issues such as addressing lower life expectancy, higher suicide rates, and lower academic performance in males, smaller funding for Men's Centres, smaller funding for prostate cancer as opposed to breast and cervical cancer, pertain more to a Men's Movement, but are far less significant (perhaps I see it this way because of the type of forums I folllow).

In my view, the Men's Movement is a weak, voluntary, relatively ad hoc and disorganized movement. The 'Black Shirts' are often misleadingly quoted in the media as representing the Men's Movement, but anyone who knows anything about the subject would know that while the half dozen people involved are probably still alive, there is no such organisation now, and even when it existed, it was just that - about six people who used a megaphone outside some homes on about three occasions - correct me if I am wrong. And all the above groups explicitly denounce this misconceived group. I am glad you didn't also quote them.

The term 'gendered violence' is a feminist one. No one in the Men's Movement to my knowledge talks about 'gendered violence' or 'non-gendered' violence. True, most of us think that most reporting of domestic violence is skewed. However, most of us are happy to go along with the ABS PSS study stats. But we have it in writing that Federal and Qld State domestic violence campaigns showing all men as perpetrators and all women as victims were based on the Access Economics study which they claim stated that 98% of domestic violence is perpetrated by men. I'm not even going to bother pulling this one apart...

It is true that sometimes people in the Men's Movement will argue that violence is equal between men and women, or even that women are more violent, but most accept a rough conceptual 1:2 ratio. Some, however, do want emotional and psychological violence recognised and researched more thoroughly. I assume many feminists would also !

As I see it, the labelling of domestic violence as 'gendered' serves the feminist cause - you can't have a Presumption of Equal Parenting because it will expose more children to more gendered (male) violence and abuse.

"While professing a concern for male victims of violence and showing a willingness to exploit men's pain and suffering at the end of relationships, Fathers' Rights groups have been able to generate considerable sympathy and have been able to get the ear of government. Unfortunately their real agenda is a re-assertion of traditional male prerogatives over women and children. Aside from the idea of gender symmetry in family violence they have promoted the idea that children need fathers above all else and this is gradually displacing the issue of child safety as the key issue in court determinations of custody and access. Further they seek to discredit female victims by alleging that women:1. fabricate false allegations of child abuse to deny men access to their children (in fact, cases of abuse only appear in a small number of hearings); and2. stategically and punitively use Apprehended Violence Orders or Domestic Violence Orders as a bargaining tool in Court rather than out of any genuine fear of violence."Shane Hopkinson, (male) Sociology, Central Queensland UniversityQueensland Centre for Domestic and Family Violence Research Vol 5 No2 Dec 2006

Yes, there is a percentage of the Men's movement that might like to reinstate the status quo of gender power relations pre 1950. Could I give a wild guess and say about 25%? For example some refer to fault-based divorce and criticise no-fault divorce policy, and describe how it is too easy for a women to leave a relationship. But the sentiment rarely surfaces in discussion. Most people in the Men's Movement seek gender equity, support no fault divorce and don't seek to force couples together. So I would say you are wrong on this point.

When you say "children need fathers above all else" I presume you don't mean we are saying fathers are more important than mothers.. I presume it is above the issue of child safety. If it is the former I would say you are wrong, if the second, yes I would agree with you because we do not feel that equal parenting, or even greater access leads to greater child abuse.

Some point to stats which indicate children are more at risk from the mother's new (male) partner (so yes, safer with the dad), and that mothers tend to inflict more physical abuse on children than fathers (whether they have taken into account mothers in general spend more time with their children, I can't say). These issues need to be looked at more closely and professionally.

My own view is that we need to resolve domestic violence and child abuse, child sexual abuse in other ways other than broad discrimination against men in terms of access to their children.

There are four myths that I believe are constructed and peddled by the Feminist Movement that I disagree with:

1. that men are intrinsically flawed
2. that men are not as worthy parents as women
3. that equal parenting is destabilising for children
4. that Equal Parenting Time will put children at a greater risk of abuse

I hope you find this e-mail in the spirit of healthy discussion and bridging the divide of mutual suspicion and non-communication. We are probably all guilty of stereotyping, and communication can be a good way of breaking down stereotyping and myth-making.

Best wishes,
Geoff Holland